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October 28, 2004

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cspew

Bravo! I agree with much of this post. I'm sure hard-core evangelicals would fault you for saying you're going to base a church on these 3 things and not Christ... or the Bible. As an aside, though, what will the theology of the church be based on and be governed by? I think it should be goverened by Christ; however, not necessarily by "The Bible" or by the Christ as interpretted in most Evangelical minds.

Are you aware of other churches similar to this? In Blacksburg, NLCF (part of GCM) tries to be the church "for the next generation" but I often find that it's the same theology dressed up for generation neXt. Eventually, it attracts the same conservatives and the principles above are overshadowed. I've heard good things about Vintage 21 in Raleigh, NC.

One other challenge for a church w/ this model: How do you survive financially? You can't really count on giving as much as previous generations did (due to the fact that your members will be younger and less affluent than most other churches, and that this church wouldn't likely want to guilt people into giving money)?

Rob

Good questions. Hopefully as I add articles I'll be giving some of the answers. You are correct to say that I'm not advocating a sort of "Southern Baptists who listen to Green Day", in other words, not a normal evangelical church which has taken up some of the cultural clutter of genX or genY. To me that's a waste of time, because when you get through all the horizontal stripes and tattoos, you still have the same old same old.

Money is a particular peeve of mine; I'd like to eliminate it from the church entirely. But more on that later.

And you are also correct to see that the bible is but _one_ way we know Christ, and not the one that the early church stressed. As you know, the early church had no bible. But more needs to be developed here positively.

cspew

Let me expound on the $$ thing. Money can corrupt the church, just like it can corrupt individuals; however, it is needed. One cannot have a meeting place, cannot buy provisions for performing services to the community, cannot effectively reach out in our society (as an organization) without it.

Having said that, one of my pet peeves about today's churches is that people don't participate. We'll just hire a slew of pastors and a support staff at a budget of $2.4 million a year and they'll do all the work for us! Growing up, as my "normal-sized" Northern VA church morphed into the mega-church it has become, I thought it was telling that the number of people that would show up for church work day actually went down - not only as a percentage, but in absolute terms!

So I would think that the 3rd millenium church would rely on a higher level of participation, therefore, reducing the need for money; however, there still will be monetary needs.

My wife and I have tossed this idea around to no final conclusion. But the way we're leaning is towards 2 things:
1.) Church should generate money on its own. This could be dubious if abused, so it requires more thought/analysis, but why couldn't the church run a business? Many charities do this in the form of Thrift Stores, but these rely heavily on donations and volunteer hours. Why can't the church just have a secular side business?! Would they lose tax-exempt status? If so, would it matter?
2.) Instead of emphasizing regular giving for church operations, why not emphasize endowments and other monetary mechanisms for sustaining itself without the need for constant funding? This also makes the church less dependant on the whims of big donors. As a side benefit, it may actualy teach the parisheners the value of saving money and the magic of compound interest.

Rob

Yes, interesting, but you need to think outside the box more. There is a need for money in the way the current, 20th century, American church is structured. You're assuming that we need buildings, a paid staff, a paid full-time clergy, chandeliers, stained-glass windows, crystal cathedrals...sorry, I get carried away.

Free your mind. Imagine a church without money. Millions of Christians do it every day around the world. We can too.

I really do need to get that Church Practice section going...all will be answered in time...

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